Xiaomi M365
25 km/h, 30 km, 250 W
Question about Xiaomi M365
the xiaomi m365 should be approved according to the astra conditions, as it is also used as a rental e-scooter in ch! the speed can also be limited via app. the ninebot es 2 is sold with road approval, but does not comply with the astra specifications either. we are somehow in complete confusion. on top of that, all scooters can be flashed with different firmware. according to astra, it doesn't need to be street legal, it just has to comply with the specifications. i would have ordered one from you a long time ago if there was any clarity!
Helpful answer
We have bought 2 M365 and we ride daily in Winterthur city, my wife has already asked a policeman directly if they are allowed in open streets, and the answer is yes, they are regulated just like bicycles. so don't make a teather.
Hello Johnboy,
According to ASTRA, the Xiaomi M365 is not approved for road traffic! No matter what others claim here.
Leaflets (with information) are being confused with regulations here! A leaflet is and remains a leaflet. A regulation or ordinance of FEDRO always applies first.
It is clear from the FEDRO document (as of 1.2.2019) that a scooter may not travel faster than 20km/h (due to its design). The Xiaomi "unfortunately" drives 25km/h. Furthermore, the brakes must be separately controllable and I quote from the ASTRA regulation: "The brakes must be operable at all times under all operating conditions, e.g. in the case of electric brakes even with full or discharged batteries", which means that even if the battery is empty, both brakes must function.
One more note on the Xiaomi Scooter. Here they are currently working on a version that will meet the regulations in EU (and Switzerland). All current (as of July 2019) Xiaomi scooters, such as the M365 and the M365 Pro, do NOT have road approval here in Switzerland.
PS: The only Xiaomi scooters that are currently allowed to drive around here are MIET scooters. These have a special permit, as they are "sealed" to 20km/h and can no longer be driven from a battery level of 5%. This means that the brake problem is also "solved". Such a permit cannot be obtained by private individuals.
- Rockero
According to ASTRA, the Xiaomi M365 is not approved for road traffic! No matter what others claim here.
Leaflets (with information) are being confused with regulations here! A leaflet is and remains a leaflet. A regulation or ordinance of FEDRO always applies first.
It is clear from the FEDRO document (as of 1.2.2019) that a scooter may not travel faster than 20km/h (due to its design). The Xiaomi "unfortunately" drives 25km/h. Furthermore, the brakes must be separately controllable and I quote from the ASTRA regulation: "The brakes must be operable at all times under all operating conditions, e.g. in the case of electric brakes even with full or discharged batteries", which means that even if the battery is empty, both brakes must function.
One more note on the Xiaomi Scooter. Here they are currently working on a version that will meet the regulations in EU (and Switzerland). All current (as of July 2019) Xiaomi scooters, such as the M365 and the M365 Pro, do NOT have road approval here in Switzerland.
PS: The only Xiaomi scooters that are currently allowed to drive around here are MIET scooters. These have a special permit, as they are "sealed" to 20km/h and can no longer be driven from a battery level of 5%. This means that the brake problem is also "solved". Such a permit cannot be obtained by private individuals.
- Rockero
I asked Astra and received the following answer:
Our office does not carry out any tests or assessments of vehicles. Consequently, we cannot give a conclusive opinion on the product you mentioned. In general, we can answer you as follows:
The provisions of the Ordinance on Technical Requirements for Road Vehicles (VTS; SR 741.41) apply to the approval of so-called electric scooters. E-scooters can be put into circulation as light motorbikes in accordance with article 18 letter b VTS if all relevant regulations are fulfilled and traffic and operational safety is guaranteed. The detailed technical vehicle regulations for light motorbikes in accordance with Article 18 letter b VTS are contained in Articles 175 to 178b and 180 VTS.
The information sheet in the appendix contains an overview of the most important regulations of road traffic law applicable to motorbikes and light motorbikes and the links to the respective ordinance texts.
In particular, we draw your attention to the following provisions:
- The maximum speed may not exceed 20 km/h with purely electric drive. With pedal assistance, 25 km/h is permissible. Please note that any limitation (e.g. by firmware) must be permanent and tamper-proof (Art. 177 Para. 2 VTS).
- According to Annex 1 paragraph 1.2 of the Type Approval Ordinance (TGV), light motorbikes are also generally exempt from the type approval requirement.
- Article 72 paragraph 1 letter k of the Traffic Licensing Ordinance (VZV) stipulates that light motorbikes also do not require a vehicle registration document or a licence plate.
Like bicycles, light motorbikes may be placed on the market and put into circulation without a type approval (i.e. without type approval and without registration with the Road Traffic Office). However, they must of course still comply with all the regulations that apply to them. The responsibility for ensuring that these vehicles are delivered or used in accordance with the regulations lies with the manufacturer/importer or ultimately with the person who uses them on public property. According to article 1 paragraph 7 VTS, the provisions of the Federal Product Safety Act also apply.
Our office does not carry out any tests or assessments of vehicles. Consequently, we cannot give a conclusive opinion on the product you mentioned. In general, we can answer you as follows:
The provisions of the Ordinance on Technical Requirements for Road Vehicles (VTS; SR 741.41) apply to the approval of so-called electric scooters. E-scooters can be put into circulation as light motorbikes in accordance with article 18 letter b VTS if all relevant regulations are fulfilled and traffic and operational safety is guaranteed. The detailed technical vehicle regulations for light motorbikes in accordance with Article 18 letter b VTS are contained in Articles 175 to 178b and 180 VTS.
The information sheet in the appendix contains an overview of the most important regulations of road traffic law applicable to motorbikes and light motorbikes and the links to the respective ordinance texts.
In particular, we draw your attention to the following provisions:
- The maximum speed may not exceed 20 km/h with purely electric drive. With pedal assistance, 25 km/h is permissible. Please note that any limitation (e.g. by firmware) must be permanent and tamper-proof (Art. 177 Para. 2 VTS).
- According to Annex 1 paragraph 1.2 of the Type Approval Ordinance (TGV), light motorbikes are also generally exempt from the type approval requirement.
- Article 72 paragraph 1 letter k of the Traffic Licensing Ordinance (VZV) stipulates that light motorbikes also do not require a vehicle registration document or a licence plate.
Like bicycles, light motorbikes may be placed on the market and put into circulation without a type approval (i.e. without type approval and without registration with the Road Traffic Office). However, they must of course still comply with all the regulations that apply to them. The responsibility for ensuring that these vehicles are delivered or used in accordance with the regulations lies with the manufacturer/importer or ultimately with the person who uses them on public property. According to article 1 paragraph 7 VTS, the provisions of the Federal Product Safety Act also apply.
If you're smart, it's understandable that digitec doesn't give street approval for info, it's clear that this new equipment is not completely regulated and every city can treat it differently... So digitec is doing it right.